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exGreek

posted on Jan 16, 2005 - 11:20 AM

I was just thinking.....if "Oneness" Pentecostals are basically neo-Sabellians, then how do they interpret the "passages of distinction" (the ones where Jesus prays to the Father, etc....)? Do they think that Jesus the Man is praying to Jesus the God? If that were the case, then they must believe that Jesus is two separate hypostases, ergo they are Nestorians. Right?

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xaira

posted on Jan 16, 2005 - 05:47 PM

It seems that you are in agreement with some. Check this out:

From http://www.carm.org/oneness/jesusprayto.htm:
Oneness theology correctly states that Jesus has two natures. He was both God and man while He walked this earth.1 But it states that the human part of Jesus was praying to the divine essence of God as the Father. What they do is divide Jesus into two parts and have the human nature address the divine nature.
The problem with this is that it threatens the incarnation of the Word made flesh as a complete and single person. Jesus was both God and man in one person. He had a will. He ate. He slept, etc. He was a man. He needed to be a human in order to bear the sins of people. He needed to be God in order to offer a sacrifice to God the Father sufficient to cleanse us of our sins. No mere man could do this. But the fact is, Jesus was one person -- and still is.2 Jesus was both God and man at the same time in the form of a single person.
The Oneness explanation risks the error of Nestorianism which stated that Jesus was two separate persons: a human person and a divine person in the form of one man. No where in the Bible does it state that Jesus was two persons. Rather, we find scriptures where Jesus refers to Himself as "I" and "Me" and "mine" not "us" or "our." The Oneness position is simply in error.

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The Son takes His office as Mediator, the Son is the beloved of the Father.
The Son offers His life for the world, the Father is the beloved of the Son.
The Holy Spirit proceeds for the Incarnation of the Son, the Son is the beloved of the Holy Spirit.
The Son sends the Holy Spirit of the Father, the Holy Spirit becomes the beloved of the Son.
The movement of love of the Holy Thriad is the perichoresis, where Each exchanges His movement with the other. When we pray in the beloved Lord Jesus Christ, we receive from Him the Holy Spirit because the Son is the Head of the new creation. But we also receive the Son our Lord from the Holy Spirit in order to rest in the Father.
- Abbot Sophronius of Egypt
(Trans. George Bebawi)

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Katreen

posted on Mar 01, 2008 - 12:25 PM

ExGreek if you are talking about Nestorians then i will tell u one thing I am from the church Nestorians and we believe Jesus Christ is God, son of God, and human nature.

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lowlyman

posted on Mar 01, 2008 - 03:13 PM

Katreen,

is this right?

Nestorius, a pupil of Theodore of Mopsuestia and bishop of Constantinople, was condemned because he refused to call the Virgin Mary 'mother of God' ("Theotokos" in Greek). He would only call her 'mother of Christ' ("Christotokos" in Greek)

lowly

From Katreen:ExGreek if you are talking about Nestorians then i will tell u one thing I am from the church Nestorians and we believe Jesus Christ is God, son of God, and human nature.

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Overgrownegyptian

posted on Mar 01, 2008 - 03:33 PM

From exGreek:I was just thinking.....if "Oneness" Pentecostals are basically neo-Sabellians, then how do they interpret the "passages of distinction" (the ones where Jesus prays to the Father, etc....)? Do they think that Jesus the Man is praying to Jesus the God? If that were the case, then they must believe that Jesus is two separate hypostases, ergo they are Nestorians. Right?

Why would the human nature of Christ pray to his own divine nature? That doesn't even make sense, praying to himself. Saying that the human nature of Christ prayed to his complete divine nature means that Jesus Christ had two separate natures which never were united and that teaching is COMPLETELY wrong.

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