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CopticCrusader

posted on Apr 24, 2008 - 01:40 AM

Hello,

There is a muslim kid (Palestinian, was born a Catholic, converted) in one of my classes (high school). And every day he tries to annoy me and speak arabic to me and i just dont feel comfortable speaking arabic with him. He also curses me, my family, and Christians in general (although the rest of his family are Christians) almost on a daily basis. I keep quiet and try to ignore him. I have tried to debate him at times regarding faith but it never goes anywhere (as you probably already know). And this kid is just a bad kid overall, he has done things that i cant say on this forum. He is a holocaust denier and he believes 9/11 was an inside job, hates Israel, etc...
I know that Jesus told us to love everybody, so i would like to try to convert him, or at least convince him that islam is wrong. Can anyone help me?

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tonyhabibi

posted on Apr 24, 2008 - 02:06 AM

look some of the things this guy says is not so far fetched , israel is not innocent , and there are some fishy things that went on in 9/11 ,
concerning islam there are so many ways u can refute islam easily .. heres an example , Ask the kid if he beleives god is a deciever ? .... he will obviously say no ....
then ask him why in his quran they say that God decieved the Jews and the romans by making them think they crucified jesus , but according to islam Allah made someone to appear like jesus on the cross . why would god want to decieve the people into thinking they killed jesus . why is god scared or shy or powerless as to not control a situation ?

They said, “We killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of God.” They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but the likeness of him was put on another man (and they killed that man)... (Quran, 4:157

"We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not: Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

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Truth.Seeker

posted on Apr 24, 2008 - 02:39 AM

Suggesting the US government had anything to do with 9/11 is ridiculous and outrageous.

CopticCrusader,

Matthew 7:6 - “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces." Once you're dealing with dogs or swine, your duty to convince ends.

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Overgrownegyptian

posted on Apr 24, 2008 - 05:59 AM

Philippians 1:27 Only let your manner of life be worthy of the gospel of Christ…

We are all called the 5th Gospel of Jesus Christ. We are told to live our lives as a testimony to His Word. Abouna Bishoy Kamel was a living Gospel. Everyday he would walk home and this little kid, who was muslim, would throw orange peels from his balcony on to Abouna as he passed by. This happened for quite a long time. Then one day Abouna Bishoy noticed the orange peels weren't being thrown at him, so he went to the little kids house to see what happened. He saw the little kid was sick so he went out and bought the little kid a huge basket of oranges and at that moment the kid and the parents repented and asked for Abouna's forgiveness. He lived his life taking joy in every insult. Another time Abouna Bishoy Kamel came home and muslim people would always spit on him. Tasoni was really upset and asked him why he wasn't upset. He responded, "Why should I be upset in this joy? I see this spit as the spit of Christ when the Jews spit on him." He took everything as a joy.

So this person might be insulting you but take it as a joy for the Jews insulted the LORD Himself. I know it's a very hard thing to do but try your hardest to fight the feeling of saying something back because that's what the devil is really trying to get to you.

Another thing is this: look at the positives of this situation. I am actually jealous, believe it or not, because you have an amazing virtue knocking at the door. The virtue is patience. If you endure with this person, whether they convert or not, and you endure through all the insults you will begin to feel the virtue of patience working in your life.

Do not look at the negatives and be upset if he insults you, but look at the positives that come from this situation.

May God bless you, please pray for me and my weaknesses.

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"O God, my God, I will rise up early unto You; for my soul has thirsted for You: to make my flesh blossom for You, in a barren land and a trackless and dry place." (Psalm 62:1)

"My son, give me your heart, And let your eyes observe my ways." (Proverbs 23:26)

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lowlyman

posted on Apr 24, 2008 - 03:53 PM

Overgrownegyptian

This story lifted up my spirit. Glory be to God in all things.

Truthseeker,

Good answer.

lowly
From Overgrownegyptian:Philippians 1:27 Only let your manner of life be worthy of the gospel of Christ…

We are all called the 5th Gospel of Jesus Christ. We are told to live our lives as a testimony to His Word. Abouna Bishoy Kamel was a living Gospel. Everyday he would walk home and this little kid, who was muslim, would throw orange peels from his balcony on to Abouna as he passed by. This happened for quite a long time. Then one day Abouna Bishoy noticed the orange peels weren't being thrown at him, so he went to the little kids house to see what happened. He saw the little kid was sick so he went out and bought the little kid a huge basket of oranges and at that moment the kid and the parents repented and asked for Abouna's forgiveness. He lived his life taking joy in every insult. Another time Abouna Bishoy Kamel came home and muslim people would always spit on him. Tasoni was really upset and asked him why he wasn't upset. He responded, "Why should I be upset in this joy? I see this spit as the spit of Christ when the Jews spit on him." He took everything as a joy.

So this person might be insulting you but take it as a joy for the Jews insulted the LORD Himself. I know it's a very hard thing to do but try your hardest to fight the feeling of saying something back because that's what the devil is really trying to get to you.

Another thing is this: look at the positives of this situation. I am actually jealous, believe it or not, because you have an amazing virtue knocking at the door. The virtue is patience. If you endure with this person, whether they convert or not, and you endure through all the insults you will begin to feel the virtue of patience working in your life.

Do not look at the negatives and be upset if he insults you, but look at the positives that come from this situation.

May God bless you, please pray for me and my weaknesses.

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CopticCrusader

posted on Apr 24, 2008 - 07:51 PM

From tonyhabibi:
concerning islam there are so many ways u can refute islam easily .. heres an example , Ask the kid if he beleives god is a deciever ? .... he will obviously say no ....
then ask him why in his quran they say that God decieved the Jews and the romans by making them think they crucified jesus , but according to islam Allah made someone to appear like jesus on the cross . why would god want to decieve the people into thinking they killed jesus . why is god scared or shy or powerless as to not control a situation ?

They said, “We killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of God.” They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but the likeness of him was put on another man (and they killed that man)... (Quran, 4:157

"We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not: Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

what if he just says that God only deceives the "infidels"?

thank you all for your comments and May God Bless all of you!!

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Overgrownegyptian

posted on Apr 24, 2008 - 08:15 PM

From CopticCrusader:
what if he just says that God only deceives the "infidels"?


You do not always have to argue with him. If he says you are deceived and Jesus Christ is a prophet and not God, then explain it to him once. If after that he keeps bothering you about it just say ok and keep silent. There is power in silence, look at the LORD Jesus Christ. He kept silent even amongst the false accusations.

You are living the life of our LORD Jesus Christ right now. When he insults you and says nasty things against you, take it joyfully. Explain his faults but in a loving way so as to God willing bring him to the faith again. If he does not wish to turn then that is his choice and he will deal with it on judgment day.

Pray for him for the LORD told us:

But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you

-Matthew 5:43-44

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andrew

May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be pleasing to you, pleasing to you.

"O God, my God, I will rise up early unto You; for my soul has thirsted for You: to make my flesh blossom for You, in a barren land and a trackless and dry place." (Psalm 62:1)

"My son, give me your heart, And let your eyes observe my ways." (Proverbs 23:26)

"Every meeting with Christ is a prayer of renewal. Every prayer is an experience of faith. Every experience of faith is eternal life." Abouna Matta El-Meskeen

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CopticCrusader

posted on Apr 24, 2008 - 08:21 PM

overgrownegyptian,

It just seems kind of difficult to tell him what he is doing wrong with out it turning into an argument.

And I have prayed for him a few times actually. I have prayed that God have mercy on him because I am sure that he has no idea what he is doing.

Pray for me!

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Jesus Christ, the Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!

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ophadeece

posted on Apr 24, 2008 - 08:51 PM

Dear CopticCrusader,
I think you are doing very well by praying for him. Pray more, and not just few times, and pray for yourself as well that God give you peace and wisdom to deal with this situation in silence perfectly. I do agree strongly with the silence opinion of overgrownegyptian, and the wise advice given by Truth.Seeker. I don't think he will listen even if you try your hardest to convince him - not worth trying as far as my opinion is concerned. Keep praying please for both you and him. God bless you and direct you to what wisest and best... pray for us a lot

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CopticCrusader

posted on Apr 24, 2008 - 09:06 PM

Thanks a lot ophadeece, may the blessings of the Holy Pascha Week be with you! Pray for me and for him (muslim kid)!

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Noosa_1978

posted on Apr 28, 2008 - 02:44 AM

First of all, Happy Easter to all of you. I hope you all enjoyed the Church and then breaking the fast. I know I love this time of the year. Anyhow, that muslim kid needs alot of prayer because he is very confused. Also be nice to him and act Christian around him because then he will see that he made a huge mistake in his life. My mom, even though she was raised is a very strict Catholic home, became an agnostic while in college. She did it because she wanted to be liberated and a feminist. It is very hard to deal with her because she is stubborn and feels her way is right. It has gotten very hard at times to follow my faith. My mother has even called me a religious fanatic, who believes in bogus. Let me tell you, when I started going to the Coptic Church, 3 years ago and started studying about the faith, my mother was giving me a hard time. She even threatened to throw me out and disinherit me if I got baptized. She was pushing me to be like her. She even made me sleep on the street because I did not want to sign a petition that supported abortions. Anyhow, I told myself that my eternal life was more important than my inheritance and got baptized without my mom knowing. I feel so happy I did it. I do not even tell her I go to church because if she knew, she would not let me. She has even thrown away my pictures of saints in my room. However, I keep praying that one day she makes the right choice. I hope this young also makes the right choice too someday.

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Noosa_1978

posted on Apr 28, 2008 - 02:44 AM

First of all, Happy Easter to all of you. I hope you all enjoyed the Church and then breaking the fast. I know I love this time of the year. Anyhow, that muslim kid needs alot of prayer because he is very confused. Also be nice to him and act Christian around him because then he will see that he made a huge mistake in his life. My mom, even though she was raised is a very strict Catholic home, became an agnostic while in college. She did it because she wanted to be liberated and a feminist. It is very hard to deal with her because she is stubborn and feels her way is right. It has gotten very hard at times to follow my faith. My mother has even called me a religious fanatic, who believes in bogus. Let me tell you, when I started going to the Coptic Church, 3 years ago and started studying about the faith, my mother was giving me a hard time. She even threatened to throw me out and disinherit me if I got baptized. She was pushing me to be like her. She even made me sleep on the street because I did not want to sign a petition that supported abortions. Anyhow, I told myself that my eternal life was more important than my inheritance and got baptized without my mom knowing. I feel so happy I did it. I do not even tell her I go to church because if she knew, she would not let me. She has even thrown away my pictures of saints in my room. However, I keep praying that one day she makes the right choice. I hope this young also makes the right choice too someday.

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Location: Jersey City, NJ