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petermansour

posted on May 29, 2008 - 11:27 PM

Can someone please find me the coptic translation of the Psalm for the vespers of this upcoming sunday. http://www.copticchurch.net/classes/get ... y=01&tom=1

The psalm is there but i couldn't get the verse and the reading to match up on the Remenkimi coptic bible. Thanks in advance. God bless.

by the way, here it is!:

Psalm 105:23,27

Israel also came into Egypt,
And Jacob dwelt in the land of Ham.
He increased His people greatly,
And wonders in the land of Ham.

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Epideacon

posted on May 30, 2008 - 12:16 AM

From petermansour:Can someone please find me the coptic

Psalm 105:23,27

Israel also came into Egypt,
And Jacob dwelt in the land of Ham.
He increased His people greatly,
And wonders in the land of Ham.

Here's a rough translation from my own knowledge of Coptic. It should suffice:

Icrayl on afi `e`pkahi `n<ymi
ouoh afswpi `nje Iakwb qen `pkahi `nHam
aferhouo `emasw `nje peflaoc
nem ni`svyri qen `pkahi `nHam.
=Al

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Remnkemi

posted on May 30, 2008 - 03:19 AM

Nice try Epideacon. Here is the text. Note the Coptic text I have says the reference is Psalm 114:11, 12. In another manuscript I have, it is Psalm 114: 23, part of 24 and 28.

Ouoh af`i `nje Picrayl `e`qryi `e<ymi ouoh Iakwb aferrem`njwili qen p`kahi n`<am@ af`;re peflaoc asai `emasw nem nef`svyri qen `pkahi `n<am

George

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ophadeece

posted on May 30, 2008 - 10:49 AM

Dear Remenkimi,
This is one of the things that puzzle me in Coptic; how would the name be pronounced when it spells as "Xam"?
God bless you and pray for us a lot

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Epideacon

posted on May 30, 2008 - 07:30 PM

I was puzzled about that too. I think it has something to do with the word "Ham" being originally a Hebrew word, thus a Hebrew name. Then it got translated into Greek in the Septuagint and the translators used the Greek letter , [ki]. Then, when they were translating it into coptic, I imagined that since it is not an Original Coptic word, they just kept the spelling they say in the Greek version.
If I had to guess I would say it should be pronounced [xam] "kham" even though I know in Arabic it's "Ham".

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ophadeece

posted on May 31, 2008 - 08:31 PM

Thanks Epideacon - that is logic and very helpful.
God bless you and pray for us a lot

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Location: Newcastle, UK

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